@volpeon currently only graphaneos afaik. i use my fp3 with lineageos, but it still has some google stuff inside on os lvl

@volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip I think your best bet is pretty much anything that explicitly states it doesn't have gplay stuff... which means stuff running e/OS, Graphene, etc...

If it's not Google's stuff, it's their own flavor. Or both.

@volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip the smartphones where you can put Android without the Google surveillance fetish additions yourself. So, Google Pixels, some (older?) OnePlus…

@volpeon pixels with grapheneos

The rest is placebo

This one is using a xiaomi phone (Mi 11i) with no-gapps lineageOS. It works great, but the process to unlock xiaomi's bootloader is a huge PITA.
If you already have a phone with a compatible lineageOS version it would try that, otherwise it has heard good things about google pixel with grapheneOS

@volpeon I've come up blank for something like this that will work and not be tied to Google's interface.

I'm now looking at Linux phones for the future. I don't think they're there yet.

@volpeon Anything that supports LineageOS or one of those other "custom ROM" Androids should work nicely. We're on Lineage personally.

Check the supported devices page for your distro of choice before you buy. (e.g. https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/)

@volpeon Huawei?

@volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip you could probably get one that comes with /E/OS from Murena, given its de-googled? Can't confirm how good it is though

@rick@a.n0id.space @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip The Google Pixel (in my case 7a) with GrapheneOS is nice (has a good cam when it is dark). Works without Google Services as long as apps (installed over the Aurora Store for example) did not need them.

But I still prefer the thing ​​

@yacha@furry.engineer @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip just replacing Google's stuff with Huawei's stuff, and also limiting yourself a lot more because they don't use Android at all anymore, instead exclusively using their own proprietary app format.

@volpeon absolutely none. all of them suck.

@volpeon >good smartphone
no such thing

@volpeon basically nothing; best you can get is something with a good community to flash and degoogle it yourself

@papush @volpeon i want a pda but a clamshell design like the nintendo ds

@volpeon or if you're feeling spicy and can handle GSIs, you can get away with basically anything that shipped with Android One

@volpeon also of note: Lineage at least used to not come with microG for Google Play Services emulation. Which means proprietary apps generally wouldn't work.

I think they changed that semirecently, but I don't know if it's included by default or not. So watch out for that during install if you need proprietary apps support. We don't really need that (and have no Google account to even get said proprietary apps with) but you might.

@volpeon It'll come with F-Droid out of the box IIRC, so you will have an appstore in any case, Google or not. :3

@fristi @volpeon i had a dumbphone with a slide-out, horizontal physical keyboard and it was great in terms of its form-factor but sadly its firmware sucked. i'd want this but with FOSS firmware

@volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip I wonder how well linux with waydroid would work (assuming your device is even supported)