Just to be clear, I didn't see the Mozilla TOS change and immediately went ahead to join the outrage.
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Just to be clear, I didn't see the Mozilla TOS change and immediately went ahead to join the outrage. I initially had a more charitable interpretation and waited to see if it's a misunderstanding and what others had to say. Then the commit showed up where they removed the promise to never sell our data, and there's really no positive way to look at this.
The problem is that you can't see that from my activity on here. -
Just to be clear, I didn't see the Mozilla TOS change and immediately went ahead to join the outrage. I initially had a more charitable interpretation and waited to see if it's a misunderstanding and what others had to say. Then the commit showed up where they removed the promise to never sell our data, and there's really no positive way to look at this.
The problem is that you can't see that from my activity on here.@volpeon What TOS change has there been?
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@volpeon What TOS change has there been?
@foxovision Mozilla posted this blog entry:
blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-news/firefox-terms-of-use/
The TOS include passages such as "When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox."
And here's where they removed the promise: circumstances.run/@davidgerard/114078708183574404 -
Just to be clear, I didn't see the Mozilla TOS change and immediately went ahead to join the outrage. I initially had a more charitable interpretation and waited to see if it's a misunderstanding and what others had to say. Then the commit showed up where they removed the promise to never sell our data, and there's really no positive way to look at this.
The problem is that you can't see that from my activity on here.@volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip for me the thing that sealed it was the way they were explaining and defending the changes on the forum. it came across as intentionally deceptive
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@foxovision Mozilla posted this blog entry:
blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-news/firefox-terms-of-use/
The TOS include passages such as "When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox."
And here's where they removed the promise: circumstances.run/@davidgerard/114078708183574404@volpeon Oh no. How could I protect myself from that?
I wonder if there are Firefox forks which are made by privacy-conscious folks to remove any tracking.
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@volpeon Oh no. How could I protect myself from that?
I wonder if there are Firefox forks which are made by privacy-conscious folks to remove any tracking.
@foxovision I use Zen Browser: zen-browser.app/
It adds a lot of useful features and disables all telemetry by default. -
Just to be clear, I didn't see the Mozilla TOS change and immediately went ahead to join the outrage. I initially had a more charitable interpretation and waited to see if it's a misunderstanding and what others had to say. Then the commit showed up where they removed the promise to never sell our data, and there's really no positive way to look at this.
The problem is that you can't see that from my activity on here.come home to ungoogled-chromium
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@foxovision I use Zen Browser: zen-browser.app/
It adds a lot of useful features and disables all telemetry by default.@volpeon Oh thank you.
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Just to be clear, I didn't see the Mozilla TOS change and immediately went ahead to join the outrage. I initially had a more charitable interpretation and waited to see if it's a misunderstanding and what others had to say. Then the commit showed up where they removed the promise to never sell our data, and there's really no positive way to look at this.
The problem is that you can't see that from my activity on here.I'm a bit familiar with law (took 2 courses at uni) and understand how awkward the language can be.
For instance, maybe Mozilla has to say "you grant us the license" instead of "you grant Firefox the license" because licenses can only be granted to legal entities, and Firefox is merely a software.
And it's also true that you don't navigate the internet directly; you use the UI of Firefox to enter your data, and then Firefox uses it to send requests to the server. It acts on your behalf, exactly as the text says.
Those were my initial thoughts based on my limited knowledge about law. It might very well be wrong.
But the problem is indeed what a lawyer could do with this, and I'm sure it grants Mozilla more rights than necessary. I also find it suspicious that none of this was an issue for over 20 years, so why would it be now?
