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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @birdulon@shpposter.club @phnt@fluffytail.org @piggo@piggo.space @sun@shitposter.world @foxido@social.cutie.team @lina@vt.social This is heavily hardware and distro dependent. "Works on my machine" is never a good argument.
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @birdulon@shpposter.club @phnt@fluffytail.org @piggo@piggo.space @sun@shitposter.world @foxido@social.cutie.team @lina@vt.social This is heavily hardware and distro dependent. "Works on my machine" is never a good argument.
@SuperDicq @piggo @birdulon @lina @phnt @sun @foxido @mischievoustomato same could be said about X11 tbh. There is hardware where X11 just doesn't work or works pretty bad. And it's not some chinese obscure risc-v sbc, it's actually popular Intel-based laptops.
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@SuperDicq @piggo @birdulon @lina @phnt @sun @foxido @mischievoustomato same could be said about X11 tbh. There is hardware where X11 just doesn't work or works pretty bad. And it's not some chinese obscure risc-v sbc, it's actually popular Intel-based laptops.
(I didn't read the thread)@a1ba@suya.place @piggo@piggo.space @birdulon@shpposter.club @lina@vt.social @phnt@fluffytail.org @sun@shitposter.world @foxido@social.cutie.team @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love I've only had any real headache inducing issues with xorg on computers that required proprietary nvidia drivers. But I don't think this counts, because that's clearly the fault of nvidia.
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@a1ba@suya.place @piggo@piggo.space @birdulon@shpposter.club @lina@vt.social @phnt@fluffytail.org @sun@shitposter.world @foxido@social.cutie.team @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love I've only had any real headache inducing issues with xorg on computers that required proprietary nvidia drivers. But I don't think this counts, because that's clearly the fault of nvidia.
@SuperDicq @piggo @birdulon @lina @a1ba @phnt @foxido @mischievoustomato it is intel's fault if they made it and it does not work right with bog-standard xorg. their older drivers worked perfect, better than any other gpu provider on linux. what changed -
@SuperDicq @piggo @birdulon @lina @a1ba @phnt @foxido @mischievoustomato it is intel's fault if they made it and it does not work right with bog-standard xorg. their older drivers worked perfect, better than any other gpu provider on linux. what changed@sun @phnt @SuperDicq @piggo @birdulon @foxido @mischievoustomato @lina it just tells me that maybe _maybe_ it's time to switch to wayland.
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@a1ba@suya.place @piggo@piggo.space @birdulon@shpposter.club @lina@vt.social @phnt@fluffytail.org @sun@shitposter.world @foxido@social.cutie.team @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love I've only had any real headache inducing issues with xorg on computers that required proprietary nvidia drivers. But I don't think this counts, because that's clearly the fault of nvidia.
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@sun @phnt @SuperDicq @piggo @birdulon @foxido @mischievoustomato @lina it just tells me that maybe _maybe_ it's time to switch to wayland.
For me it already passed that "it just works" stage, where I don't have to configure anything and have good experience.@a1ba @phnt @SuperDicq @piggo @birdulon @foxido @mischievoustomato @lina I'm just having fun and don't hate wayland but at the same time I definitely am gonna blame intel rather than xorg. -
@a1ba @phnt @SuperDicq @piggo @birdulon @foxido @mischievoustomato @lina I'm just having fun and don't hate wayland but at the same time I definitely am gonna blame intel rather than xorg.@sun @phnt @SuperDicq @piggo @birdulon @foxido @mischievoustomato @lina would blame xorg because modesetting sucks and older ddx drivers are abandoned
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@SuperDicq @piggo @birdulon @lina @a1ba @sun @foxido @mischievoustomato Xorg works great for me on Intel's new Iris GPUs. What actually broke multiple times is Wayland thanks to some driver changes.
@phnt@fluffytail.org @piggo@piggo.space @birdulon@shpposter.club @lina@vt.social @a1ba@suya.place @sun@shitposter.world @foxido@social.cutie.team @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love Wayland also is not stable on the laptop that I use at my salary job. It a Lenovo T14s AMD edition.
Wayland on this machine randomly crashes about once a day (I did notice it becomes more common after the laptop was recently suspended) becoming completely unresponsive and requiring a hard reboot. This does not happen on Xorg on the same machine. I run Debian stable with KDE. -
@phnt@fluffytail.org @piggo@piggo.space @birdulon@shpposter.club @lina@vt.social @a1ba@suya.place @sun@shitposter.world @foxido@social.cutie.team @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love Wayland also is not stable on the laptop that I use at my salary job. It a Lenovo T14s AMD edition.
Wayland on this machine randomly crashes about once a day (I did notice it becomes more common after the laptop was recently suspended) becoming completely unresponsive and requiring a hard reboot. This does not happen on Xorg on the same machine. I run Debian stable with KDE.@SuperDicq @piggo @birdulon @lina @phnt @sun @foxido @mischievoustomato do you think it would work better if it wasn't half a decade old debian "stable"? -
@SuperDicq @piggo @birdulon @lina @phnt @sun @foxido @mischievoustomato do you think it would work better if it wasn't half a decade old debian "stable"?
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@mischievoustomato @phnt @SuperDicq @piggo @sun @birdulon @foxido @lina linux amd gpu drivers are much better that ones on windows, where they are completely unusable. This is always hilarous to me considering amd gpu and windows market share.
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@mischievoustomato @phnt @SuperDicq @piggo @sun @birdulon @foxido @lina linux amd gpu drivers are much better that ones on windows, where they are completely unusable. This is always hilarous to me considering amd gpu and windows market share.@mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @birdulon @foxido @lina @phnt @piggo @sun amd just can't do 2 + 2 and make better decisions that would benefit their customers... which is also funny because their cpu division sort of figured that out
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@mischievoustomato @phnt @SuperDicq @piggo @sun @birdulon @foxido @lina linux amd gpu drivers are much better that ones on windows, where they are completely unusable. This is always hilarous to me considering amd gpu and windows market share.@a1ba @phnt @SuperDicq @piggo @sun @birdulon @foxido @lina idk. When I had a ryzen laptop I had to use Windows if I wanted to have a stable experience and not have crashes every other time because I dared watch video or game. Hell, when I dropped linux on it, it was so bad the amdgpu driver would crash just randomly. And I still see issues like those now and over the years. Just the other day I read a guy that switched to an intel mobo on the framework laptop due to amd being unreliable.
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@a1ba @phnt @SuperDicq @piggo @sun @birdulon @foxido @lina idk. When I had a ryzen laptop I had to use Windows if I wanted to have a stable experience and not have crashes every other time because I dared watch video or game. Hell, when I dropped linux on it, it was so bad the amdgpu driver would crash just randomly. And I still see issues like those now and over the years. Just the other day I read a guy that switched to an intel mobo on the framework laptop due to amd being unreliable.@mischievoustomato @phnt @SuperDicq @piggo @sun @birdulon @foxido @lina well, I heard of amd gpu hardware-ish bugs that make whole system crash on linux. But that was like 5-6 years ago.
