@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @hj@shigusegubu.club @foxhkron@cybre.club @a1ba@suya.place I think what Suiseiseki means here is that Valve has the power to choose a different brand other than AMD, for example Valve could invest money into a RISC-V SoC instead to avoid the handcuffs.

@a1ba@suya.place @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @foxhkron@cybre.club @hj@shigusegubu.club Calling it GNU is not about who has the most amount of lines of code (because that means that most bloated package would automatically win), but it's about who giving credit to the one project who started the idea and the movement in the first place. Without GNU none of everything else would even exist in the first place.

@SuperDicq @hj @foxhkron @a1ba Valve has enough leverage to ask AMD to supply a non-handcuffed SoC (or even all the init software as free software too, but AMD might say no to that).

If AMD says no, the solution could be to show that you mean it by going with a non-handcuffed Aarch64 SoC instead for a while, despite the drawbacks and then suddenly AMD in the future might be ready to stop committing fraud if it means not missing out sales.

@a1ba @foxhkron @SuperDicq @hj glibc and coreutils are only 2 GNU packages.

There are far more GNU packages than that; https://www.gnu.org/software/

Modern distros need gcc, binutils, bash, ncurses, gimp, parted, units, grub, gzip, tar, sed, awk, grep, wget, gsl, gettext, gdbm, groff, make, texinfo, unifont, libidn, libiconv, less, autotools, gnupg, libgcrypt, gnuTLS, GNU r, gimp, octaive, gmp and most of the rest of the GNU packages.

Despite all the efforts to bloat up Linux, GNU is still larger than Linux - thus if you want to go by contribution by percentage - Linux is out.

@SuperDicq @hj @foxhkron @Suiseiseki yeah, agree

@Suiseiseki @foxhkron @SuperDicq @hj bold of you to think aarch64 socs aren't handcuffed.

@Suiseiseki @foxhkron @SuperDicq @hj most of them are optional, like gimp you listed two times, and using GCC and GNU toolchain doesn't make system GNU (I think that's actually told somewhere on GNU website)

@a1ba @foxhkron @SuperDicq @hj Many Aarch64 SoC's are handcuffed - but quite a few of them aren't - with any handcuffing being an optional "feature" in the SoC suppliers bootloader.

Also, generally the handcuffs in Aarch64 SoC's have a fatal flaw that allows complete bypassing, while AMD has had enough practice to not screw up that hard - with the result being that the ability to run 100% free software is denied - but of course malware that only needs to make partial changes can work.

@a1ba @foxhkron @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @hj
>using GCC and GNU toolchain doesn't make system GNU
If that was true Windows XP would be GNU, because some parts of the build system used GNU make. Which is one of the arguing points in the Alpine copypasta. Even Mac OS X would be GNU, because it had gcc as the default compiler. Same with NeXTSTEP.

@Suiseiseki @foxhkron @SuperDicq @hj it really depends on the vendor but boot process in general is much more complicated starting with ARMv8, which has separate software running on each privilege level.

And quite often it's proprietary.

Not to mention the firmware of everything else in the SoC.

@phnt @foxhkron @SuperDicq @hj @a1ba Yes, windows was developed with GNU, same as macos, same as NeXTSTEP - but those weren't GNU systems, as there was by default no GNU packages shipped and not really empty slots for the missing GNU to go.

Alpine is a BusyBox/Linux distro, but the typical use case is to install the missing GNU to make it a GNU/Linux distro.

@Suiseiseki @foxhkron @phnt @SuperDicq @hj would installing mingw on windows make it gnu/windows then

@a1ba @foxhkron @phnt @SuperDicq @hj Installing MSYS2 or Cygwin or "WSL1" makes GNU/kWindows; https://mikegerwitz.com/2016/04/gnu-kwindows

@Suiseiseki @foxhkron @phnt @SuperDicq @hj ok