By the way, I am now officially tied to a device which is too old to support Anubis.
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This is all I get.
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In other words, I encourage you to look to other solutions.
Some that I know of in no particular order:
- go-away – alternative with No-JS challenges and more customizability
- Iocaine – actively poison AI scrapers, best paired with nam shub of enki configuration
I heard mumbles that Anubis is also getting No-Javascript methods eventually, but I don't know more than that.
Anubis has No-Javascript challenges, there's some more advanced ones in the paid offering
(feel free to add to that list, I had something bookmarked but I've lost it on my old phone) -
By the way, I am now officially tied to a device which is too old to support Anubis. Not just in the "it takes too long" sense, but also being unable to install any version of Chromium that supports the required APIs.
This is probably what a lot of people which are less fortunate than you feel like.@alexia I don't have a problem with them doing paid features, time costs money. I also doubt that many people will move to a different option just for older devices to get through.
I'm also curious as to why you're tied to such an old device. That's an unfortunate situation.
EDIT: Just saw that you're getting a Pixel 7 soon, enjoy!
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I think the biggest statement that I want to make here is this:
Software should be efficient, and fast. We've all forgotten what it means to be on a platform that is restricted ever since our computing resources started going up, and this is where it left us.
Those less fortunate are unable to view even the simplest pages because there is software in front that simply won't run on my device.
Our software isn't quick or snappy anymore, to the point where any software which IS quick or snappy markets itself as being so. It has become a marketing feature.
Sure, all our new fancy tech is quite nice, but let's not forget that not everyone is as fortunate.
I am very glad that there's tools which work even on the cheapest or oldest devices.@alexia
part of the way i view it is "why is your text editor a browser?" (and similar examples)
for instance, emacs runs on my phone. it ran on computers in the 70's. yet vs code, which aims to do the same, takes up a lot more RAM and processing power, and has layers upon layers of needless abstractions for software that shouldn't do that.
RollerCoaster Tycoon was programmed in assembly. Impulse Tracker was programmed in assembly!
There are programs like Helix which can do what a highly configured Neovim setup does in a fraction of the time/space.
I designed my programs to be able to run on all sorts of devices, because they should. computers are powerful, what's stopping them? it's mostly our shitty layers of abstractions that make things harder for developers and users -
@alexia
part of the way i view it is "why is your text editor a browser?" (and similar examples)
for instance, emacs runs on my phone. it ran on computers in the 70's. yet vs code, which aims to do the same, takes up a lot more RAM and processing power, and has layers upon layers of needless abstractions for software that shouldn't do that.
RollerCoaster Tycoon was programmed in assembly. Impulse Tracker was programmed in assembly!
There are programs like Helix which can do what a highly configured Neovim setup does in a fraction of the time/space.
I designed my programs to be able to run on all sorts of devices, because they should. computers are powerful, what's stopping them? it's mostly our shitty layers of abstractions that make things harder for developers and users -
@alexia
part of the way i view it is "why is your text editor a browser?" (and similar examples)
for instance, emacs runs on my phone. it ran on computers in the 70's. yet vs code, which aims to do the same, takes up a lot more RAM and processing power, and has layers upon layers of needless abstractions for software that shouldn't do that.
RollerCoaster Tycoon was programmed in assembly. Impulse Tracker was programmed in assembly!
There are programs like Helix which can do what a highly configured Neovim setup does in a fraction of the time/space.
I designed my programs to be able to run on all sorts of devices, because they should. computers are powerful, what's stopping them? it's mostly our shitty layers of abstractions that make things harder for developers and users@pastthepixels@is.potatoe.ca @alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work ok so you're saying i should write everythign in assembly? got it!
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By the way, I am now officially tied to a device which is too old to support Anubis. Not just in the "it takes too long" sense, but also being unable to install any version of Chromium that supports the required APIs.
This is probably what a lot of people which are less fortunate than you feel like.@alexia okay so like this is not a solution to anubis but
if you change your UA to something unlike a browser it should just ignore you if it's using defaults -
@alexia okay so like this is not a solution to anubis but
if you change your UA to something unlike a browser it should just ignore you if it's using defaults@izzy yeah I know I can just set my user-agent to like, curl, but that's a hack and doesn't solve it for all those other people which is the main thin I'm trying to critique -
@alexia I don't have a problem with them doing paid features, time costs money. I also doubt that many people will move to a different option just for older devices to get through.
I'm also curious as to why you're tied to such an old device. That's an unfortunate situation.
EDIT: Just saw that you're getting a Pixel 7 soon, enjoy!
@carbonatedcaffeine
I mean yeah sure I'm getting a pixel soon but only thanks to fundraising
god knows how many people are out there which aren't as fortunate as me and cannot just get a newer device
what do like the majority of people in idk Cuba or something do, they don't even got most newer devices over there -
I think the biggest statement that I want to make here is this:
Software should be efficient, and fast. We've all forgotten what it means to be on a platform that is restricted ever since our computing resources started going up, and this is where it left us.
Those less fortunate are unable to view even the simplest pages because there is software in front that simply won't run on my device.
Our software isn't quick or snappy anymore, to the point where any software which IS quick or snappy markets itself as being so. It has become a marketing feature.
Sure, all our new fancy tech is quite nice, but let's not forget that not everyone is as fortunate.
I am very glad that there's tools which work even on the cheapest or oldest devices. -
@carbonatedcaffeine
I mean yeah sure I'm getting a pixel soon but only thanks to fundraising
god knows how many people are out there which aren't as fortunate as me and cannot just get a newer device
what do like the majority of people in idk Cuba or something do, they don't even got most newer devices over there@alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @carbonatedcaffeine@social.treehouse.systems
i mean i imagine the infrastructure isn't built around having a modernish phone
like
until 2019 2020ish my grandma lived pretty fine on her own with just a feature phone -
@alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @carbonatedcaffeine@social.treehouse.systems
i mean i imagine the infrastructure isn't built around having a modernish phone
like
until 2019 2020ish my grandma lived pretty fine on her own with just a feature phone@piku @carbonatedcaffeine
in Germany it increasingly is, and that's despite more people becoming poorer
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mind you, technically I CAN install firefox, however on hardware that has:
- 900 **mega**bytes of RAM
- 4 CPU cores clocked at ~1.3 gigahertz
- Android 7
- 32Bit SoC
it's........less than serviceable in comparison to Chromium 66. Yes, chromium 66. That's what comes shipped and I've yet to find ARM 32bit builds newer than this which install on this architecture and device. -
@alexia aren't you risking like a million CVEs sticking with old chromium? i have similarly old hardware and i usually just grumble, install firefox ESR, and pay the price
@imyxh this device is vulnerable to a flaw in the SoC allowing for privilege escalation and has no concept of Verified Boot or dm-verity
i have other problems ;w; -
@alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @carbonatedcaffeine@social.treehouse.systems
i mean i imagine the infrastructure isn't built around having a modernish phone
like
until 2019 2020ish my grandma lived pretty fine on her own with just a feature phone -
@niko fixed
@alexia @niko And in the open source version: https://anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/configuration/challenges/metarefresh
The paid one is something I'm actively finishing and involves every single way I can trick a browser into loading things from pages with and without JavaScript.
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@carbonatedcaffeine
I mean yeah sure I'm getting a pixel soon but only thanks to fundraising
god knows how many people are out there which aren't as fortunate as me and cannot just get a newer device
what do like the majority of people in idk Cuba or something do, they don't even got most newer devices over there@alexia that's a good question actually. I'm sure it would affect a lot of people from those areas then.
How long do you think mobile devices should realistically be usable for? (At least 10 years for web browser use, surely?)
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@alexia that's a good question actually. I'm sure it would affect a lot of people from those areas then.
How long do you think mobile devices should realistically be usable for? (At least 10 years for web browser use, surely?)
@carbonatedcaffeine
honestly in my optimal dream world you'd be able to buy a device and use it for 15 years straight, only having to repair it when damaged but not outright replace it -
In other words, I encourage you to look to other solutions.
Some that I know of in no particular order:
- go-away – alternative with No-JS challenges and more customizability
- Iocaine – actively poison AI scrapers, best paired with nam shub of enki configuration
I heard mumbles that Anubis is also getting No-Javascript methods eventually, but I don't know more than that.
Anubis has No-Javascript challenges, there's some more advanced ones in the paid offering
(feel free to add to that list, I had something bookmarked but I've lost it on my old phone)@alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work My site, as well as @enjarai's, are both under Iocaine. It's worth noting that if it's configured very aggressively, it will block Brave and Opera for pretending to be a different browser. x3
But it seems to be pretty effective (more so than Anubis, at least) and doesn't require deploying JS in the frontend. :3 -
@alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work My site, as well as @enjarai's, are both under Iocaine. It's worth noting that if it's configured very aggressively, it will block Brave and Opera for pretending to be a different browser. x3
But it seems to be pretty effective (more so than Anubis, at least) and doesn't require deploying JS in the frontend. :3
