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  3. By the way, I am now officially tied to a device which is too old to support Anubis.

By the way, I am now officially tied to a device which is too old to support Anubis.

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  • alexia@starlightnet.workA alexia@starlightnet.work
    I think the biggest statement that I want to make here is this:

    Software should be efficient, and fast. We've all forgotten what it means to be on a platform that is restricted ever since our computing resources started going up, and this is where it left us.

    Those less fortunate are unable to view even the simplest pages because there is software in front that simply won't run on my device.

    Our software isn't quick or snappy anymore, to the point where any software which IS quick or snappy markets itself as being so. It has become a marketing feature.

    Sure, all our new fancy tech is quite nice, but let's not forget that
    not everyone is as fortunate.

    I am very glad that there's tools which work even on the cheapest or oldest devices.
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    @alexia

    This I can get behind. Sure, energy conservation and all that is goddamn important, but people actually being able to use their devices comes first for me.

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    • alexia@starlightnet.workA alexia@starlightnet.work
      @carbonatedcaffeine

      I mean yeah sure I'm getting a pixel soon but only thanks to fundraising

      god knows how many people are out there which aren't as fortunate as me and cannot just get a newer device

      what do like the majority of people in idk Cuba or something do, they don't even got most newer devices over there
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      @alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @carbonatedcaffeine@social.treehouse.systems
      i mean i imagine the infrastructure isn't built around having a modernish phone
      like
      until 2019 2020ish my grandma lived pretty fine on her own with just a feature phone

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        @alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @carbonatedcaffeine@social.treehouse.systems
        i mean i imagine the infrastructure isn't built around having a modernish phone
        like
        until 2019 2020ish my grandma lived pretty fine on her own with just a feature phone

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        @piku @carbonatedcaffeine

        in Germany it increasingly is, and that's despite more people becoming poorer 😕
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        • alexia@starlightnet.workA alexia@starlightnet.work
          mind you, technically I CAN install firefox, however on hardware that has:

          - 900 **mega**bytes of RAM
          - 4 CPU cores clocked at ~1.3 gigahertz
          - Android 7
          - 32Bit SoC

          it's........less than serviceable in comparison to Chromium 66. Yes, chromium 66. That's what comes shipped and I've yet to find ARM 32bit builds newer than this which install on this architecture and device.
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          @alexia aren't you risking like a million CVEs sticking with old chromium? i have similarly old hardware and i usually just grumble, install firefox ESR, and pay the price

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            @alexia aren't you risking like a million CVEs sticking with old chromium? i have similarly old hardware and i usually just grumble, install firefox ESR, and pay the price

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            @imyxh this device is vulnerable to a flaw in the SoC allowing for privilege escalation and has no concept of Verified Boot or dm-verity

            i have other problems ;w;
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              @alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @carbonatedcaffeine@social.treehouse.systems
              i mean i imagine the infrastructure isn't built around having a modernish phone
              like
              until 2019 2020ish my grandma lived pretty fine on her own with just a feature phone

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              @piku @alexia fair point!

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              • alexia@starlightnet.workA alexia@starlightnet.work
                @niko fixed
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                @alexia @niko And in the open source version: https://anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/configuration/challenges/metarefresh

                The paid one is something I'm actively finishing and involves every single way I can trick a browser into loading things from pages with and without JavaScript.

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                • alexia@starlightnet.workA alexia@starlightnet.work
                  @carbonatedcaffeine

                  I mean yeah sure I'm getting a pixel soon but only thanks to fundraising

                  god knows how many people are out there which aren't as fortunate as me and cannot just get a newer device

                  what do like the majority of people in idk Cuba or something do, they don't even got most newer devices over there
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                  @alexia that's a good question actually. I'm sure it would affect a lot of people from those areas then.

                  How long do you think mobile devices should realistically be usable for? (At least 10 years for web browser use, surely?)

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                  • carbonatedcaffeine@social.treehouse.systemsC carbonatedcaffeine@social.treehouse.systems

                    @alexia that's a good question actually. I'm sure it would affect a lot of people from those areas then.

                    How long do you think mobile devices should realistically be usable for? (At least 10 years for web browser use, surely?)

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                    @carbonatedcaffeine

                    honestly in my optimal dream world you'd be able to buy a device and use it for 15 years straight, only having to repair it when damaged but not outright replace it
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                    • alexia@starlightnet.workA alexia@starlightnet.work
                      In other words, I encourage you to look to other solutions.

                      Some that I know of in no particular order:
                      -
                      go-away – alternative with No-JS challenges and more customizability
                      -
                      Iocaine – actively poison AI scrapers, best paired with nam shub of enki configuration

                      I heard mumbles that Anubis is also getting No-Javascript methods eventually, but I don't know more than that.

                      Anubis has No-Javascript challenges, there's some more advanced ones in the paid offering

                      (feel free to add to that list, I had something bookmarked but I've lost it on my old phone)
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                      @alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work My site, as well as @enjarai's, are both under Iocaine. It's worth noting that if it's configured very aggressively, it will block Brave and Opera for pretending to be a different browser. x3

                      But it seems to be pretty effective (more so than Anubis, at least) and doesn't require deploying JS in the frontend. :3

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                        @alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work My site, as well as @enjarai's, are both under Iocaine. It's worth noting that if it's configured very aggressively, it will block Brave and Opera for pretending to be a different browser. x3

                        But it seems to be pretty effective (more so than Anubis, at least) and doesn't require deploying JS in the frontend. :3

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                        @aurakle @enjarai

                        the entirety of starlight network projects and my personal site is under iocaine :333
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                          @aurakle @enjarai

                          the entirety of starlight network projects and my personal site is under iocaine :333
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                          @enjarai @aurakle I've also added a caddy rule to redirect brave users to the "Please stop using Brave" post
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                            @enjarai @aurakle I've also added a caddy rule to redirect brave users to the "Please stop using Brave" post
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                            @alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @enjarai Probably better than handing them the Markov pages. ​​

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                            • alexia@starlightnet.workA alexia@starlightnet.work
                              @aurakle @enjarai

                              the entirety of starlight network projects and my personal site is under iocaine :333
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                              @alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @aurakle amazing. im always happy to hear about folk helping poison the shit of of these models ​​

                              i hope it will have a real effect eventually. the bubble needs to pop already

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                              • alexia@starlightnet.workA alexia@starlightnet.work
                                @enjarai @aurakle I've also added a caddy rule to redirect brave users to the "Please stop using Brave" post
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                                @alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @aurakle o! how do you recognise them? that seems like something i should do as well

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                                  @alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @aurakle amazing. im always happy to hear about folk helping poison the shit of of these models ​​

                                  i hope it will have a real effect eventually. the bubble needs to pop already

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                                  @enjarai @alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work :3 :3 :3

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                                    @alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @aurakle o! how do you recognise them? that seems like something i should do as well

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                                    @enjarai @aurakle they advertise themselves in the Sec-Ch-Ua header
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                                    • alexia@starlightnet.workA alexia@starlightnet.work
                                      @enjarai @aurakle they advertise themselves in the Sec-Ch-Ua header
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                                      @alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @enjarai I have never heard of that header. 😭

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                                        @alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @enjarai I have never heard of that header. 😭

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                                        @aurakle @enjarai

                                        developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Reference/Headers/Sec-CH-UA
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                                        • alexia@starlightnet.workA alexia@starlightnet.work
                                          @carbonatedcaffeine

                                          honestly in my optimal dream world you'd be able to buy a device and use it for 15 years straight, only having to repair it when damaged but not outright replace it
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                                          @alexia @carbonatedcaffeine 15??? it should be a lifetime!

                                          unless, againg, it breaks

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