By the way, I am now officially tied to a device which is too old to support Anubis.
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@alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @aurakle o! how do you recognise them? that seems like something i should do as well
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@alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @enjarai I have never heard of that header.
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honestly in my optimal dream world you'd be able to buy a device and use it for 15 years straight, only having to repair it when damaged but not outright replace it -
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@izzy yeah I know I can just set my user-agent to like, curl, but that's a hack and doesn't solve it for all those other people which is the main thin I'm trying to critique
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@alexia also another reason for writing small, optimized software is that you can utilize so much more of your computer. which leads to cool things like saving battery life
@pastthepixels @alexia Yeah, the battery life!
I was amused, when read the lines about importance of writing power efficient applications in the "Palm Design Guide".
I don't remember the exact quote. Something like this: "Battery power is important, especially for users in the business trip. Don't write your applications like user is able to charge it's own device every time before the sleep"
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By the way, I am now officially tied to a device which is too old to support Anubis. Not just in the "it takes too long" sense, but also being unable to install any version of Chromium that supports the required APIs.
This is probably what a lot of people which are less fortunate than you feel like.@alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work I stopped using Anubis because I found better alternatives, and currently there's nothing in between.
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honestly in my optimal dream world you'd be able to buy a device and use it for 15 years straight, only having to repair it when damaged but not outright replace it@alexia I think it will be feasible. Hopefully applications won't require 8GB of memory just to function in the future. That would be absurd.
My main concern is the availability of battery replacements. It would make it much easier if there was a battery size and connection standard in the future. But since all phones are different shapes and sizes that wouldn't work.
The Fairphone is probably the best in terms of what we want. But it's a lot of money and isn't available to purchase from my country. The PinePhone also uses a J7 sized battery which can still be found on ebay. But the device isn't made to last.
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By the way, I am now officially tied to a device which is too old to support Anubis. Not just in the "it takes too long" sense, but also being unable to install any version of Chromium that supports the required APIs.
This is probably what a lot of people which are less fortunate than you feel like.@alexia And thus, not only does it not actually accomplish anything, it also entirely blocks legitimate users.
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mind you, technically I CAN install firefox, however on hardware that has:
- 900 **mega**bytes of RAM
- 4 CPU cores clocked at ~1.3 gigahertz
- Android 7
- 32Bit SoC
it's........less than serviceable in comparison to Chromium 66. Yes, chromium 66. That's what comes shipped and I've yet to find ARM 32bit builds newer than this which install on this architecture and device.@alexia my phone has 8 cores, 2 Cortex-A73 and 6 Cortex-A53, a whole 2 GIGABYTES of ram, and still, that isn't enough to run certain apps properly
the discord emoji picker ? it OOMs the entire phone if i open it. Websites ? be it chromium or firefox, a website will take 10 seconds to actually show up, even without anubis.
with anubis, that shoots up to a minute. But! i can have modern browsers so anubis does work, it's just, really slow
which, i get it, it's the whole point, but come on.
this isn't that old of a phone, it's barely 6 years old.
mobile first webdev my ass
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@alexia my phone has 8 cores, 2 Cortex-A73 and 6 Cortex-A53, a whole 2 GIGABYTES of ram, and still, that isn't enough to run certain apps properly
the discord emoji picker ? it OOMs the entire phone if i open it. Websites ? be it chromium or firefox, a website will take 10 seconds to actually show up, even without anubis.
with anubis, that shoots up to a minute. But! i can have modern browsers so anubis does work, it's just, really slow
which, i get it, it's the whole point, but come on.
this isn't that old of a phone, it's barely 6 years old.
mobile first webdev my ass
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@sneexy Until the Pixel 7 arrives somewhere between 18th and 23rd of this month, I am stuck with:
- Moto C Plus (32bit, armv6, Android 7, modded)
- ZTE Blade A34 (64bit, armv7?, Android 13, stock, cannot unlock)@alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @sneexy@booping.synth.download oh you poor poor soul who has to use a non-pixel phone for two weeks and develop empathy for others who are stuck on obsolete versions of Android with no custom ROMs... that ZTE blade has a newer version of Android than my phone yet you're whining about it?
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honestly in my optimal dream world you'd be able to buy a device and use it for 15 years straight, only having to repair it when damaged but not outright replace it@alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work @carbonatedcaffeine@social.treehouse.systems I'm going to be trying my best to keep my current PC for that long, previous PC held strong for almost 7 years before I managed to earn some funds for a new one in 2021. Old hardware is still sitting here ofc, ready to serve as a retro machine or backup PC if needed (although I also have a steamdeck now)
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This is all I get.
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By the way, I am now officially tied to a device which is too old to support Anubis. Not just in the "it takes too long" sense, but also being unable to install any version of Chromium that supports the required APIs.
This is probably what a lot of people which are less fortunate than you feel like.@alexia may I suggest Pale Moon as a workaround?
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I think the biggest statement that I want to make here is this:
Software should be efficient, and fast. We've all forgotten what it means to be on a platform that is restricted ever since our computing resources started going up, and this is where it left us.
Those less fortunate are unable to view even the simplest pages because there is software in front that simply won't run on my device.
Our software isn't quick or snappy anymore, to the point where any software which IS quick or snappy markets itself as being so. It has become a marketing feature.
Sure, all our new fancy tech is quite nice, but let's not forget that not everyone is as fortunate.
I am very glad that there's tools which work even on the cheapest or oldest devices.@alexia@starlightnet.work that's one of the reason i like how my website is light and efficient regardless of your hardware of internet speed
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By the way, I am now officially tied to a device which is too old to support Anubis. Not just in the "it takes too long" sense, but also being unable to install any version of Chromium that supports the required APIs.
This is probably what a lot of people which are less fortunate than you feel like.@alexia I finally cracked and installed Anubis on a niche service which was getting pounded, since the options were to either use Anubis or turn off the service.
My use of Anubis isn't a great solution, but it was the least-worst choice. Either way, you were not going to be able to visit the site.
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I think the biggest statement that I want to make here is this:
Software should be efficient, and fast. We've all forgotten what it means to be on a platform that is restricted ever since our computing resources started going up, and this is where it left us.
Those less fortunate are unable to view even the simplest pages because there is software in front that simply won't run on my device.
Our software isn't quick or snappy anymore, to the point where any software which IS quick or snappy markets itself as being so. It has become a marketing feature.
Sure, all our new fancy tech is quite nice, but let's not forget that not everyone is as fortunate.
I am very glad that there's tools which work even on the cheapest or oldest devices.@alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work
Software should be efficient, and fast. We've all forgotten what it means to be on a platform that is restricted ever since our computing resources started going up, and this is where it left us.
It isn't even good on high end hardware Tbh it gives me a vibe of a commercially-funneled open source project (or just the team who really wants to commercialize their idea without a well-defined principle), but it is unclear to me the team even have the experience of designing performance related software.
To me this is an "apathy" based defense: the assumption always is an attacker won't bother to optimize or pay for rigs. But if that is the case (1) the "defense" shouldn't get "harder": that just frustrate the hell out of lgtm visitors without imposing real cost barrier on attacks (2) you shouldn't encourage a monoculture of identical rules and challenge scheme on all your users, that concentrates risk of complete breakage.
Thanks for letting me know of Locaine, it looks like a pragmatic solution: ticks all my checkmarks: security by diversity; no magical thinking; not being the weakest link yourself.
https://yumechi.jp/en/blog/2025/proof-of-mutex-outspeeding-anubis-with-valid-pow/
