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honestly smartphones as a platform (android, ios) are the antithesis of technology as i know it

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    honestly smartphones as a platform (android, ios) are the antithesis of technology as i know it

    they're only made for consumption of corpo content, they do not allow the user to explore, tinker, learn. if all you have is a phone, you cannot learn it's workings, you cannot learn how to create new applications for it, you can only *consume* what is already made for you

    if you want to create something new, to learn how your device work, you better be able to afford a separate, often more expensive computer, to do that. you can't? outta luck kiddo
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      honestly smartphones as a platform (android, ios) are the antithesis of technology as i know it

      they're only made for consumption of corpo content, they do not allow the user to explore, tinker, learn. if all you have is a phone, you cannot learn it's workings, you cannot learn how to create new applications for it, you can only *consume* what is already made for you

      if you want to create something new, to learn how your device work, you better be able to afford a separate, often more expensive computer, to do that. you can't? outta luck kiddo
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      @navi I learned the basics of programming on graphing calculators, those were actually fucking awesome for this and the number of kids who get into it that way has basically plummeted at this point which is a shame
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        @navi I learned the basics of programming on graphing calculators, those were actually fucking awesome for this and the number of kids who get into it that way has basically plummeted at this point which is a shame
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        @novenary @navi Yeah, in fact often wished calculators would have a compiler/assembler in them so they could effectively qualify as standalone computers.

        Meanwhile to me android/iOS/… phones are peripherals due to the fact you can't use the tools needed to modify it's software directly on it, which to me should be a possibility.
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          @novenary @navi Yeah, in fact often wished calculators would have a compiler/assembler in them so they could effectively qualify as standalone computers.

          Meanwhile to me android/iOS/… phones are peripherals due to the fact you can't use the tools needed to modify it's software directly on it, which to me should be a possibility.
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          @lanodan @navi I mean there's stuff like mimas (https://ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/431/43140.html) and axe (https://ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/456/45659.html) which are nice, I've even made some of my own tools for stuff, but ultimately complex projects are hard to manage on a handheld

          phones are also just very inadequate hardware-wise to do anything interesting, touch screen keyboards suck which is why I don't have anything like termux or even an ssh client on mine
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            @lanodan @navi I mean there's stuff like mimas (https://ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/431/43140.html) and axe (https://ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/456/45659.html) which are nice, I've even made some of my own tools for stuff, but ultimately complex projects are hard to manage on a handheld

            phones are also just very inadequate hardware-wise to do anything interesting, touch screen keyboards suck which is why I don't have anything like termux or even an ssh client on mine
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            @novenary @navi Well keyboard bit can be fixed with a bluetooth/USB keyboard, although I wish the N900 form-factor didn't go out of fashion.
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              @novenary @navi Well keyboard bit can be fixed with a bluetooth/USB keyboard, although I wish the N900 form-factor didn't go out of fashion.
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              @lanodan @novenary @navi I want my PDA back, single best portable device I've ever owned
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                @lanodan @novenary @navi I want my PDA back, single best portable device I've ever owned
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                @elly @novenary @navi Also reminds me… is there any vendor still doing mininotebooks (~7") like the Libretto?
                Like imagine that PDA but phablet sized. 😄
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                  @elly @novenary @navi Also reminds me… is there any vendor still doing mininotebooks (~7") like the Libretto?
                  Like imagine that PDA but phablet sized. 😄
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                  @lanodan @elly @navi https://www.gpd.hk/gpdpocket is a thing
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                    @lanodan @elly @navi https://www.gpd.hk/gpdpocket is a thing
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                    @novenary @lanodan @navi GPD pockets have terrible keyboards though, I've had few of them in my hands
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                      @novenary @lanodan @navi GPD pockets have terrible keyboards though, I've had few of them in my hands
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                      @elly @lanodan @navi sad but not unexpected
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                        @elly @lanodan @navi sad but not unexpected
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                        @novenary @lanodan @navi yeeeah...
                        Closest next thing I have in mind is HANA (Lenovo Chromebook 300e MTK with useless MT8173 SoC (due to lack of GX6250 drivers and awfully slow development on PowerVR rogue).

                        It's 11.6in and has chonker battery, rugged chassis, nice keyboard and weights nothing. I'm contemplating between running bare tmux on it, or pulling a gamer move to replace stock SoC with RK3588
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                          @novenary @lanodan @navi yeeeah...
                          Closest next thing I have in mind is HANA (Lenovo Chromebook 300e MTK with useless MT8173 SoC (due to lack of GX6250 drivers and awfully slow development on PowerVR rogue).

                          It's 11.6in and has chonker battery, rugged chassis, nice keyboard and weights nothing. I'm contemplating between running bare tmux on it, or pulling a gamer move to replace stock SoC with RK3588
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                          @elly @novenary @lanodan @navi under no circumstances you should touch it, but we have leaked drivers for powervr: https://github.com/a1batross/img-gpu-1.9/

                          not sure what they're useful for, as it was taken from one particular device that has GX6650
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