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@ignaloidas @cnlohr exactly.

@ignaloidas @cnlohr sure, yeah, I can implement all needed stuff myself, but that doesn't really fall into category of using "existing C code", right?

At that point I can just hack it until it works or rewrite it in JS.

@cnlohr @ignaloidas and so, again, could've be done with asm.js long before wasm.

I want to write for web in single language. It means either C or JS should go away.

what problem wasm does solve? Yeah, using existing C code is cool but then you have another problem which is emscripten and all it's quirks

please read the thread, it's already has been discussed.

@cnlohr @ignaloidas and so could asm.js. And so can plain javascript.

if it all boils down to calling webgl why do I need an extra step with C if it's gonna be javascript anyway?

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I finished the mod, it works perfectly on Linux from the first try and we even found and fixed one bug that was happening on Mesa drivers. Hope it will hit public soon, and I think Linux port is gonna be included as well.

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What are the fucking odds...

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@newt @captainepoch internet censorship is bad

to every government deep packet introspection software developer out there I wish deep anal cancer

@lanodan @cnlohr @ignaloidas I started appreciating actually somewhat conforming environments after I've witnessed homebrew development on switch, psvita and psp.

In all three cases it's some random newlib + gcc port. newlib kinda okay for ISO C99-ish. But C++? Eh... POSIX? Don't even think about it.

It's an enormous amount of work, yeah. But I understand now why people don't maintain their ports for these targets for too long.

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@ignaloidas @cnlohr so basically, yes, emscripten is what we deserve.

And the only application for it is to run some 90s games stuttering in a single frame per second.

@lanodan @cnlohr @ignaloidas oh, yeah, that's a thing.

At least it kinda allows to run existing software, if you really need to

@ignaloidas @cnlohr the webapps written in javascript that your browser run right now doesn't require POSIX. And you know I wasn't talking about POSIX here.

Let me write interactive websites without JS dammit. Wasm could've been an alternative if the "web" in its name had _any_ meaning.

@ignaloidas @cnlohr it's already solved problem in another kind of wrapper: an operating system kernel.

It doesn't care from which language you call it unless you can emit syscalls.

@ignaloidas @cnlohr I think if there was something like that in browsers, with browser specifics, like accessing DOM, sandboxed APIs and so on

wasm would get much more adoption than just running Quake with emscripten

@ignaloidas @cnlohr wasm running in a wasi compliant virtual machine is quite useful.

@ignaloidas @cnlohr yeah, it's code.

But without JS? Nearly useless.

@ignaloidas @cnlohr I may be stupid

but if thing called webthing, I suppose it should be for web

but I think there are more uses for wasm as a language for virtual machine that you can embed into your application rather than something to run in browser

@ignaloidas @cnlohr oh, I get it.

No, I think it is wasm fault because it's literally in the name.

@ignaloidas @cnlohr yes but POSIX doesn't play nice with a complete absence of a filesystem and not only that but the whole asynchronous nature of running stuff in web browser.

It just doesn't work like that.