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@aks there can't be too much honey in a tea, unless it becomes tea in a honey

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@steffo dolphin deprecation when (please no)

https://x.com/LaaaaaDi_/status/1999544403338150254

@tiredbun @drq ah, yeah, makes sense.

@Chia people die when they are killed

@tiredbun @drq I understand your point here as two days ago I upgraded the system on my old laptop that hasn't been touched since 2020.

And I had to remove a lot of packages that I don't need, some of them were actually unused old dependencies, that somehow got marked as installed by user and therefore didn't clean up automatically.

But still such normal distro lets me do everything I want at any time, so that machine got converted into something else, with the same operating system.

>a lot of people don't have those issues with managing their software or are okay with reinstalling OS every once in a while

Does that imply you somehow killed your system installation? O_o

@tiredbun @drq >I don't think I understand what exactly are you talking about in this part. Which makes me unable to argue.

Installing software on immutable distros: flatpak, nix, homebrew and even overlayfs. There is always gonna be some tradeoffs, would it be container limitations, performance issues or something else that I don't know about yet.

>For me it's specifically that I make changes in my free time, when I can afford for it to be a toy, but then I can rollback to the working version to work.

To me tool can be a toy, but a toy cannot become a tool. That's what I mean. I just don't get what's the point in making problems for yourself.

@tiredbun @drq well because it's a gaming console in disguise.

None of suggested solutions to a problem that never existed before immutable distros became a thing, unfortunately, don't help with global modifications.

Real computer is a tool first. Immutable distros turn it into a toy.

Which again isn't a bad thing... maybe if you can sacrifice one piece of hardware and rely on another as a tool.

@mischievoustomato @drq good for them because _just_ flatpaks isn't enough.

@mischievoustomato @drq @tiredbun idk I still think of it like some Mac exclusive thing.

I only used it once, and it's downstream fork for PPC Macs.

@drq >depending on how you use your computer

btw I wouldn't even recommend it to people who are sure they only gonna use their computer for surfing the web.

because it's impossible to know for certain that you won't need to install some unusual software tomorrow. Idk printer/scanner drivers for that HP in your office for example. Or that proprietary crap enforced by your government.

Sure, there is one largely deployed immutable distro, which is Android, and it allows to do a lot of stuff. But at this point... do you really need a PC?

In modern days I think PC should be ready to do something that's your phone can't and turning PC into it is a step back.

@drq ok but to me it's a terrible idea.

I tried to use steamdeck as a PC with it's original OS and it's not good if you want to use some exotic software or use it for development, for multiple reasons:

1. Remounting rootfs as rw means your changes will not persist until next update. (well, duh!) In my case it was worse, by default rootfs on steamos isn't that big, so it's very easy to run out of free space.

2. If you use flatpak, the software you're looking might either be not packaged or be useless in a container. Pretty much the same if you plan to use any other container like docker.

3. Nix.... is Nix. Nuff said.

4. gentoo prefix/pkgsrc/homebrew are fine if you know what to expect with them, like pkgsrc and gentoo would force you building software from source code, not sure about homebrew, I have a suspicion that prebuilt packages only exist for Mac.

All in all, I wouldn't say that immutable distros are bad but depending on how you use your computer experience might be rough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42tiU8J0Ugo

@shinsho not to mention that the Y0DC adds a bunch of retcons.

You know... dead characters are supposed to stay dead, there is no point in bringing some minor characters back, and yet for some reason it happens too often lately.

I'm very excited about Stranger Than Heaven, mostly because so far it looks like something new. But if they are gonna continue milking Kiryu and reviving every unmemorable character... what's even the point. Not to mention SEGA being a typical asshole publisher, of course.

@shinsho oh I probably skipped it because I remember this minigame only from 4 and 5.

@snowy vore coding (no)