matrix is cooked
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it shouldn't have come to this, I almost wanna say that Element is violently dismantling any semblance of independence that Matrix still has
Element, Riot, New Vector Inc. whatever you wanna call it was a fucking mistake; A project like this one should never have gotten a VC-funded for-profit corporation involved from the day it was born.
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@alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work since when has matrix not been cooked
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it shouldn't have come to this, I almost wanna say that Element is violently dismantling any semblance of independence that Matrix still has
Element, Riot, New Vector Inc. whatever you wanna call it was a fucking mistake; A project like this one should never have gotten a VC-funded for-profit corporation involved from the day it was born.
This is not healthy.Fuck it.
List of alternative projects that you can support instead:
(not guaranteed to fill the same niche as matrix)
- Polyphony's Polyproto – Building a simple federated identity and chat protocol that's extensible and "boring". Lead by 
people (donate)
- Delta Chat – Novel chat-app built on Email Protocols under the hood. E2EE, with specialised servers and zero info required for signup; WebXDC for in-chat apps. (donate)
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Fuck it.
List of alternative projects that you can support instead:
(not guaranteed to fill the same niche as matrix)
- Polyphony's Polyproto – Building a simple federated identity and chat protocol that's extensible and "boring". Lead by people (donate)
- Delta Chat – Novel chat-app built on Email Protocols under the hood. E2EE, with specialised servers and zero info required for signup; WebXDC for in-chat apps. (donate)
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@ixhby as someone that uses signal as their primary way of communication:
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it shouldn't have come to this, I almost wanna say that Element is violently dismantling any semblance of independence that Matrix still has
Element, Riot, New Vector Inc. whatever you wanna call it was a fucking mistake; A project like this one should never have gotten a VC-funded for-profit corporation involved from the day it was born.
This is not healthy. -
@alexia what does that have to do with element?
Hosting matrix.org has to be expensive. Relying only on donations will be difficult. Additionally this might push more people to other homeservers, improving federation.@shadowwwind
Copying this from a different reply thread as I can't be botheredfrom day one a VC-funded, For-Profit entity took over a large part of the work.
From day one, Element / Riot / New Vector Inc. has existed with the purpose of making money and selling B2B or government contracts. They've violently ripped away control over Synapse, Dendrite and other projects from the foundation as well as financial support to keep the home server running. They are not a good influence on the project. -
@alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work matrix was always cooked but now it’s fucking broiled
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Fuck it.
List of alternative projects that you can support instead:
(not guaranteed to fill the same niche as matrix)
- Polyphony's Polyproto – Building a simple federated identity and chat protocol that's extensible and "boring". Lead by people (donate)
- Delta Chat – Novel chat-app built on Email Protocols under the hood. E2EE, with specialised servers and zero info required for signup; WebXDC for in-chat apps. (donate)
- [More Suggestions?]@alexia xmpp i guess
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Fuck it.
List of alternative projects that you can support instead:
(not guaranteed to fill the same niche as matrix)
- Polyphony's Polyproto – Building a simple federated identity and chat protocol that's extensible and "boring". Lead by people (donate)
- Delta Chat – Novel chat-app built on Email Protocols under the hood. E2EE, with specialised servers and zero info required for signup; WebXDC for in-chat apps. (donate)
- [More Suggestions?]@alexia I've also followed and liked Jami (formerly Ring) for years - uses some of the same P2P discovery type tech as BitTorrent but for decentralized messaging: https://jami.net/
Not quite aiming for the same niche, though. Then there's stuff like Mumble (https://www.mumble.info/) that's still going if you need just a 'gaming' voice chat app and can host a server for it.
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@alexia I've also followed and liked Jami (formerly Ring) for years - uses some of the same P2P discovery type tech as BitTorrent but for decentralized messaging: https://jami.net/
Not quite aiming for the same niche, though. Then there's stuff like Mumble (https://www.mumble.info/) that's still going if you need just a 'gaming' voice chat app and can host a server for it.
@kithop I do know of Jami, I'm just not sure if I'd recommend it as I really don't know who's actually behind it -
Fuck it.
List of alternative projects that you can support instead:
(not guaranteed to fill the same niche as matrix)
- Polyphony's Polyproto – Building a simple federated identity and chat protocol that's extensible and "boring". Lead by people (donate)
- Delta Chat – Novel chat-app built on Email Protocols under the hood. E2EE, with specialised servers and zero info required for signup; WebXDC for in-chat apps. (donate)
- [More Suggestions?] -
@kithop I do know of Jami, I'm just not sure if I'd recommend it as I really don't know who's actually behind it
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@alexia oh my fucking god they can't be serious
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@alexia@shrimp.starlightnet.work xmpp? (just a suggestion, not endorsement. i don't know much about it yet)
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@alexia oh my fucking god they can't be serious
@alina they are!
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