Man, the Wikipedia article on the Fediverse is really kinda shit.
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Man, the Wikipedia article on the Fediverse is really kinda shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse
So many half truths. Also:
"Users have been slow to embrace the Fediverse due to poor user experience and excessive complexity."
Excessive complexity?! You write a message and click post ... what? Is choosing a server difficult or something? I don't get it.
Excessive complexity. This is literally the hardest thing ever. Like if you want easy stuff, go work at CERN, that's where we send all the people who fail at posting here, it's the literal losers club. :neocat_what:
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@catraxx i think the quote you highlighted is actually an example of editorializing bc it doesn't say who considers it excessively complex. i may try to edit that although i've had multiple edits in this regard reverted recently
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Man, the Wikipedia article on the Fediverse is really kinda shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse
So many half truths. Also:
"Users have been slow to embrace the Fediverse due to poor user experience and excessive complexity."
Excessive complexity?! You write a message and click post ... what? Is choosing a server difficult or something? I don't get it.
Excessive complexity. This is literally the hardest thing ever. Like if you want easy stuff, go work at CERN, that's where we send all the people who fail at posting here, it's the literal losers club. :neocat_what:
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@EricLawton Right?!
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Man, the Wikipedia article on the Fediverse is really kinda shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse
So many half truths. Also:
"Users have been slow to embrace the Fediverse due to poor user experience and excessive complexity."
Excessive complexity?! You write a message and click post ... what? Is choosing a server difficult or something? I don't get it.
Excessive complexity. This is literally the hardest thing ever. Like if you want easy stuff, go work at CERN, that's where we send all the people who fail at posting here, it's the literal losers club. :neocat_what:
@catraxx Choosing a server is the first barrier. It is a barrier because you have to make a choice based on ZERO information. Why do I have to choose a server? Which one is good? What makes a good server?
Second barrier is: why can't I see all the replies? That sort of comes back to which server did you choose. From the POV of a person on a small server Mastodon feels half empty. From the POV of a popular person you get a lot of duplicated responses. That is annoying.
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@catraxx one of the citations for that line says:
Tildes? Furries? Some Belgian company?
mixed feelings about how it frames furries here https://mxb.dev/blog/the-indieweb-for-everyone/
@hipsterelectron The information in the article is also no longer true (and unsure if it ever was) because a search for mastodon brings up up mastodon.social and joinmastodon, both of which try to make you join mastodon.social first and joinmastodon then also offers a list of servers for those interested in more.
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@catraxx Choosing a server is the first barrier. It is a barrier because you have to make a choice based on ZERO information. Why do I have to choose a server? Which one is good? What makes a good server?
Second barrier is: why can't I see all the replies? That sort of comes back to which server did you choose. From the POV of a person on a small server Mastodon feels half empty. From the POV of a popular person you get a lot of duplicated responses. That is annoying.
@owiecc If you know that you can choose a server, you already know more than the average user, who searches for "mastodon" and is promptly send to mastodon.social.
And annoying =/= "Excessively complex".
At best the wording should be that there are technical differences in how the fediverse works, which can be irritating to some.
Excessively complex is doing your taxes or reading a trade agreement. It is not registering and posting in the fediverse.
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@owiecc If you know that you can choose a server, you already know more than the average user, who searches for "mastodon" and is promptly send to mastodon.social.
And annoying =/= "Excessively complex".
At best the wording should be that there are technical differences in how the fediverse works, which can be irritating to some.
Excessively complex is doing your taxes or reading a trade agreement. It is not registering and posting in the fediverse.
@catraxx The "send do mastodon.social" was done especially because a lot of people were turned away. Good move IMO, but when the developer making @PixelFed did something similar there was a big community pushback.
Going back to what you wrote about the Wikipedia article, it should be expanded. The first sentence from adoption section cites sources from 2022. Many of the issues raised were addressed already.
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@catraxx The "send do mastodon.social" was done especially because a lot of people were turned away. Good move IMO, but when the developer making @PixelFed did something similar there was a big community pushback.
Going back to what you wrote about the Wikipedia article, it should be expanded. The first sentence from adoption section cites sources from 2022. Many of the issues raised were addressed already.
@owiecc I do believe the wording has to be entirely different. It has a very negative tone, when at best it should be neutral.
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Man, the Wikipedia article on the Fediverse is really kinda shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse
So many half truths. Also:
"Users have been slow to embrace the Fediverse due to poor user experience and excessive complexity."
Excessive complexity?! You write a message and click post ... what? Is choosing a server difficult or something? I don't get it.
Excessive complexity. This is literally the hardest thing ever. Like if you want easy stuff, go work at CERN, that's where we send all the people who fail at posting here, it's the literal losers club. :neocat_what:
@catraxx i think it's choosing a server, i didn't knew hubzilla existed until today and it's older than mastodon.
Also it's a lot easier to gain followers and follow interesting people on bluesky and other platfomrs than on here. But that's MY opinion. I have very little followers. To speak to no one I'll keep a diary. -
@catraxx i think it's choosing a server, i didn't knew hubzilla existed until today and it's older than mastodon.
Also it's a lot easier to gain followers and follow interesting people on bluesky and other platfomrs than on here. But that's MY opinion. I have very little followers. To speak to no one I'll keep a diary.@chad006 Would you rate this as "Excessively complex", though, or wouldn't you agree that this article is being overly negative?
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@owiecc If you know that you can choose a server, you already know more than the average user, who searches for "mastodon" and is promptly send to mastodon.social.
And annoying =/= "Excessively complex".
At best the wording should be that there are technical differences in how the fediverse works, which can be irritating to some.
Excessively complex is doing your taxes or reading a trade agreement. It is not registering and posting in the fediverse.
@catraxx @owiecc there's also the "why am I logged into Mastodon but when I go to like, boost or reply to a post from a link it's asking me to log in or go back to my server?"
Because you've landed on a different server hosting the same Mastodon software, skinned, branded, and styled *identically*. But it's not the same. It's a different instance with no awareness of your account.
That's not an easy concept to grasp for a casual user, and the interface, while better, is still not that helpful
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@catraxx @owiecc there's also the "why am I logged into Mastodon but when I go to like, boost or reply to a post from a link it's asking me to log in or go back to my server?"
Because you've landed on a different server hosting the same Mastodon software, skinned, branded, and styled *identically*. But it's not the same. It's a different instance with no awareness of your account.
That's not an easy concept to grasp for a casual user, and the interface, while better, is still not that helpful
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@philbetts @owiecc Yes, we can quibble over that word and many others. It does not change the fact this article is written in an incredibly negative overall way when it should be neutral. These are small annoyances, should we sum them up in the same way for everything? because i can find negatives in everything if i am trying.
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@philbetts @owiecc Yes, we can quibble over that word and many others. It does not change the fact this article is written in an incredibly negative overall way when it should be neutral. These are small annoyances, should we sum them up in the same way for everything? because i can find negatives in everything if i am trying.
@catraxx @philbetts Remember that wikipedia is not an opinion site. It is a tertiary source. It should reflect the cited secondary sources.
If secondary sources from 2022 say the UX is bad then wikipedia article should reflect that. Here we can argue whether “excessively” correctly summarises the two articles.
If you'd like to update the article, look for all the sources that mention Fediverse UX, then cite and summarise them. If the sources mention UX is getting better then you can add that.
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@catraxx @philbetts Remember that wikipedia is not an opinion site. It is a tertiary source. It should reflect the cited secondary sources.
If secondary sources from 2022 say the UX is bad then wikipedia article should reflect that. Here we can argue whether “excessively” correctly summarises the two articles.
If you'd like to update the article, look for all the sources that mention Fediverse UX, then cite and summarise them. If the sources mention UX is getting better then you can add that.
@owiecc @philbetts Ok, but the cited sources are just opinion pieces, not studies. I can cite as many opinion pieces as i want. That's a silly game to play. There is no objective way to judge this and therefore this is all editorializing and should not be in the article to begin with.
Like, i am a frontend expert, i could just write an article and praise it to the moon, it is just as credible as anything else. Do i have numbers to reflect this? No. Do they? No.
The fediverse is growing, so i am right? Maybe, maybe that has nothing to do with UX at all? Who knows.
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Man, the Wikipedia article on the Fediverse is really kinda shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse
So many half truths. Also:
"Users have been slow to embrace the Fediverse due to poor user experience and excessive complexity."
Excessive complexity?! You write a message and click post ... what? Is choosing a server difficult or something? I don't get it.
Excessive complexity. This is literally the hardest thing ever. Like if you want easy stuff, go work at CERN, that's where we send all the people who fail at posting here, it's the literal losers club. :neocat_what:
@catraxx To be honest, I was at first a bit confused as I understood that there are multiple instances wirh different rules and I was worried I would not find any people on those smaller servers with more tech oriented topics, and I would not find tech stuff on a larger server.
I still struggle a bit to follow accounts on other servers, and I still do not know (but did not check either) how to connect to lemmy or other fediverse platforms. Do I need an account there or can I use my account here? -
@catraxx To be honest, I was at first a bit confused as I understood that there are multiple instances wirh different rules and I was worried I would not find any people on those smaller servers with more tech oriented topics, and I would not find tech stuff on a larger server.
I still struggle a bit to follow accounts on other servers, and I still do not know (but did not check either) how to connect to lemmy or other fediverse platforms. Do I need an account there or can I use my account here?@fandermir Does not seem to matter much in day to day operation. I don't know what's going on with lemmy, and i never checked. But i am sure the answer wouldn't be too hard to find?
