Valve: singlehandedly pushing the adoption of Linux.
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@a1ba @foxhkron @SuperDicq @hj glibc and coreutils are only 2 GNU packages.
There are far more GNU packages than that; https://www.gnu.org/software/
Modern distros need gcc, binutils, bash, ncurses, gimp, parted, units, grub, gzip, tar, sed, awk, grep, wget, gsl, gettext, gdbm, groff, make, texinfo, unifont, libidn, libiconv, less, autotools, gnupg, libgcrypt, gnuTLS, GNU r, gimp, octaive, gmp and most of the rest of the GNU packages.
Despite all the efforts to bloat up Linux, GNU is still larger than Linux - thus if you want to go by contribution by percentage - Linux is out.@Suiseiseki @foxhkron @SuperDicq @hj most of them are optional, like gimp you listed two times, and using GCC and GNU toolchain doesn't make system GNU (I think that's actually told somewhere on GNU website) -
@a1ba @foxhkron @SuperDicq @hj Many Aarch64 SoC's are handcuffed - but quite a few of them aren't - with any handcuffing being an optional "feature" in the SoC suppliers bootloader.
Also, generally the handcuffs in Aarch64 SoC's have a fatal flaw that allows complete bypassing, while AMD has had enough practice to not screw up that hard - with the result being that the ability to run 100% free software is denied - but of course malware that only needs to make partial changes can work. -
@Suiseiseki @foxhkron @SuperDicq @hj most of them are optional, like gimp you listed two times, and using GCC and GNU toolchain doesn't make system GNU (I think that's actually told somewhere on GNU website)@a1ba @foxhkron @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @hj
>using GCC and GNU toolchain doesn't make system GNU
If that was true Windows XP would be GNU, because some parts of the build system used GNU make. Which is one of the arguing points in the Alpine copypasta. Even Mac OS X would be GNU, because it had gcc as the default compiler. Same with NeXTSTEP. -
@a1ba @foxhkron @SuperDicq @hj Many Aarch64 SoC's are handcuffed - but quite a few of them aren't - with any handcuffing being an optional "feature" in the SoC suppliers bootloader.
Also, generally the handcuffs in Aarch64 SoC's have a fatal flaw that allows complete bypassing, while AMD has had enough practice to not screw up that hard - with the result being that the ability to run 100% free software is denied - but of course malware that only needs to make partial changes can work.@Suiseiseki @foxhkron @SuperDicq @hj it really depends on the vendor but boot process in general is much more complicated starting with ARMv8, which has separate software running on each privilege level.
And quite often it's proprietary.
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@a1ba @foxhkron @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @hj
>using GCC and GNU toolchain doesn't make system GNU
If that was true Windows XP would be GNU, because some parts of the build system used GNU make. Which is one of the arguing points in the Alpine copypasta. Even Mac OS X would be GNU, because it had gcc as the default compiler. Same with NeXTSTEP.@phnt @foxhkron @SuperDicq @hj @a1ba Yes, windows was developed with GNU, same as macos, same as NeXTSTEP - but those weren't GNU systems, as there was by default no GNU packages shipped and not really empty slots for the missing GNU to go.
Alpine is a BusyBox/Linux distro, but the typical use case is to install the missing GNU to make it a GNU/Linux distro. -
@phnt @foxhkron @SuperDicq @hj @a1ba Yes, windows was developed with GNU, same as macos, same as NeXTSTEP - but those weren't GNU systems, as there was by default no GNU packages shipped and not really empty slots for the missing GNU to go.
Alpine is a BusyBox/Linux distro, but the typical use case is to install the missing GNU to make it a GNU/Linux distro.@Suiseiseki @foxhkron @phnt @SuperDicq @hj would installing mingw on windows make it gnu/windows then -
@Suiseiseki @foxhkron @phnt @SuperDicq @hj would installing mingw on windows make it gnu/windows then
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@a1ba @foxhkron @phnt @SuperDicq @hj Installing MSYS2 or Cygwin or "WSL1" makes GNU/kWindows; https://mikegerwitz.com/2016/04/gnu-kwindows
