the fact that the Internet Archive got into bigger trouble for lending books they paid for than Facebook did for reproducing books they pirated tells you everything you need to know about copyright.
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@a1ba @Yuvalne - Libraries can and do buy books and preserve them. The Internet Archive buys books, and could preserve them and make *the copies they buy* available. What they can't legally do (but do) is make and distribute additional unauthorized copies, in effect becoming a publisher and distributor of their own new pirate edition of each book.
@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne yes, Internet Archive is a library. Just online one. -
@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne yes, Internet Archive is a library. Just online one.
@a1ba @Yuvalne - They call themselves a library, but that doesn't make it so. As discussed in the NWU explainer I linked to earlier in this thread, libraries *lend* books. Lending doesn't implicate copyright, because lending doesn't involve making copies. IA makes and distributes (unauthorized) copies. Scanning something and posting it on an unrestricted public web site isn't lending, it's publishing. IA is a pirate Web publisher, not a library.
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@a1ba @Yuvalne - They call themselves a library, but that doesn't make it so. As discussed in the NWU explainer I linked to earlier in this thread, libraries *lend* books. Lending doesn't implicate copyright, because lending doesn't involve making copies. IA makes and distributes (unauthorized) copies. Scanning something and posting it on an unrestricted public web site isn't lending, it's publishing. IA is a pirate Web publisher, not a library.
@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne how do you make something restricted online then? If you think of DRM, name at least one that hasn't been broken and/or wasn't a nuisance for those who legally own a piece of media?
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne how do you make something restricted online then? If you think of DRM, name at least one that hasn't been broken and/or wasn't a nuisance for those who legally own a piece of media?
Also what stops one from scanning a book that was lent from the library? Should real life libraries be banned too then?@a1ba @Yuvalne @ehasbrouck Also offline libraries have got CDs and DVDs for decades by now, and those are digital formats for which making copies is rather cheap (in fact in some countries there's taxes in place to theoretically go back to rights owners). -
@a1ba @Yuvalne @ehasbrouck Also offline libraries have got CDs and DVDs for decades by now, and those are digital formats for which making copies is rather cheap (in fact in some countries there's taxes in place to theoretically go back to rights owners).@lanodan @Yuvalne @ehasbrouck not only that, libraries doesn't incentive to purchase your own copy of the book. Because you can always lend one.
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne how do you make something restricted online then? If you think of DRM, name at least one that hasn't been broken and/or wasn't a nuisance for those who legally own a piece of media?
Also what stops one from scanning a book that was lent from the library? Should real life libraries be banned too then?@a1ba @Yuvalne - Only the law stops one from copying a book borrowed form a library. But Libraries don't themselves make unlimited numbers of printed copies. They only lend the copy they bought. It's not about what those who get copies from IA do. IA *itself*, unlike a library, is making the unauthorized copies.
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne how do you make something restricted online then? If you think of DRM, name at least one that hasn't been broken and/or wasn't a nuisance for those who legally own a piece of media?
Also what stops one from scanning a book that was lent from the library? Should real life libraries be banned too then?@a1ba @Yuvalne - Many writers *already* make works included in previously-published books available online in non-DRM formats. But IA *refuses* even to talk to writers about letting us add pointers to these authorized editions to IA index pages. IA insists on telling visitors *only* about its own bootleg versions, even when better, authorized versions exist.
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@a1ba @Yuvalne - Only the law stops one from copying a book borrowed form a library. But Libraries don't themselves make unlimited numbers of printed copies. They only lend the copy they bought. It's not about what those who get copies from IA do. IA *itself*, unlike a library, is making the unauthorized copies.
@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne neither does IA actually. If you don't want to create another unauthorized copy of a book, then just don't download it. -
@a1ba @Yuvalne - Many writers *already* make works included in previously-published books available online in non-DRM formats. But IA *refuses* even to talk to writers about letting us add pointers to these authorized editions to IA index pages. IA insists on telling visitors *only* about its own bootleg versions, even when better, authorized versions exist.
@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne is there a source for that claim? I don't think IA wants to be involved in piracy, but you just can't preserve media in any other way other than letting everybody to have free (as in freedom) access to the information. -
@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne neither does IA actually. If you don't want to create another unauthorized copy of a book, then just don't download it.
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne it doesn't, it just sends data. It's up to receiver side what to do with it.
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne it doesn't, it just sends data. It's up to receiver side what to do with it.
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne so we should ban internet then
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne my point is that it's up to you what to do with the information you received. If you can only think of anything online (because all web server does is copying) as a piracy, it's just your problem. Maybe you should stop pirating others work by stopping browsing the internet.
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne my point is that it's up to you what to do with the information you received. If you can only think of anything online (because all web server does is copying) as a piracy, it's just your problem. Maybe you should stop pirating others work by stopping browsing the internet.
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne it's a library, they don't need your permission.
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne it's a library, they don't need your permission.@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne besides, you can upload stuff and put the links in the description yourself.
